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General Discussions => Revolution => Topic started by: 2 of 3 on December 09, 2015, 06:50:27 pm
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Here're my thoughts on this guy. He never really wanted to be President. He got into the campaign just for a bit of fun, and now he can't believe he's leading in the polls. So he says silly things to rock the boat and he just keep getting more support. He probably sits at his desk and wonders "what do I have to do get out of this?"...so he says, even more, outrageous things. I'll bet he can't wait to drop in the polls.
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I hope you're right...
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It says so so much about America that he has so many supporters.
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The media all report on his craziness. Do they report on the revolving door of congress to business to congress to business? Nope. Both parties run that revolving door, but the heavy coverage is on a spoiled little boy.
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Well I think Trump is saying what I feel most people believe, but are unable to say because of this crazy politically correct society where you can't have anything outrageous to say in case it offends somebody.
Here in NZ, the vibe around our smoko table at work is that Trump is saying EXACTLY what everyone is thinking. He's not afraid to say that Obama and his off-sider Hillary C. created ISIS via their policies to destabilise the Middle East and try to get rid of Assad (the 'Syrian Rebels' after all, were funded by the US with the intention of getting rid of Assad - they morphed into ISIS of course and Russia are right in behind Assad because they WANT TO GET RID OF ISIS AND THE SITUATION OOBOZO CREATED!). He's not afraid to stick up for American manufacturing, to the point where he will impose tariffs on any cars or car parts imported into the US, including Ford plants in Mexico.
Sure he mouths off and puts his foot in it every now and then, but I like that he wants to bring back 'the old America'. When the American Dream was attainable. And now, the middle classes are getting wiped out.
Oh that's right, the media once chastised him for saying 'The American Dream is Dead" - when he actually said that he wants to bring it back bigger than ever. Speaking of the media, I'm a big fan of his press spokesman Katrina Pierson - she's been brilliant at going on CNN etc and retorting all the nonsense spewed out towards him and blowing it right back in the reporters' faces.
I don't think he will make it to the final nomination. Something will happen that will ensure that Cruz or some other puppet gets the nod instead. All these things are ALWAYS pre-planned in advance. But he's giving them a darn good shake-up nonetheless!
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I will only respectfully say that Donald Trump does not speak for me or say what I am thinking. Every time we have elected a maverick or cowboy it has ended badly for the average American.
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What the world needs are more thinkers/do'ers like Elon Musk. The world has changed. Time to move on...to get away from fossil fuels. Stop being held hostage by OPEC. Stop letting the gazillionaires screw us up the bum because of their relentless quest to become bazillionaires. Greed man...holy moly. :'(
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Very good points. New paradigms are what we need. Going back to 'the old way' may no longer be applicable anymore. Especially with the advances in robotics in manufacturing, we almost need to be looking at a 'post-work' world. I've seen much discussion on the need for introducing an universal basic income, generated from financial taxes on the wealthy. We need to look at ways forward, not back. Trump is one for going back to the good old days.
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I've seen much discussion on the need for introducing an universal basic income
Yeah, I heard a news story the other day about that. Germany thinking about it(as I remember) I forget which country already does this...one of the Scandinavian countries. It wasn't a lot....like 1200 a month or something....but the critics said it would make everyone lazy. It turned out that it gave people more time to do other things. More time with family, more time to take up hobbies etc. The money came from reduced social services...which they found later weren't needed since people did what they needed with the money they were given. It probably wouldn't work everywhere, but it's something different to try.
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I've prob mentioned it before. Alvin Toffler's idea of a semi-direct democracy.
A certain number of the public gets to vote on bills like the house and senate.
Criticize it all you want. It should be tried first. It couldn't be worse than what we have now where public opinion is ignored much of the time. You think we want cable monopolies?
Select 5000, 500, or 50 registered voters to cast votes on a certain bill. They can research it and decide how they feel about it. They can read republican and democratic briefs on their websites about the bill and go from there. At least these voters aren't voting from what lobbyists can do, and have done, for them.
Are there flaws in this system? Yep. Look at the flaws in the voting due to our system now. It should be tried.
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I love the idea of that. That's a real democracy. Anything else is nothing more than an illusion that we have some kind of control over what goes on.
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...and the elected officials' votes count in their respective chambers. It's just that this new third chamber would have to pass the bill too.
Something has to be tried to end the current shenanigans.
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I'm finding it pretty funny while watching interviews of Trump supporters. Almost every one of them points out that they want "a change" and that Trump is a self-made Billionaire...that he knows how to run a business. It's like they honestly believe that Trump made all his money with Fairy Dust and hard work and didn't make it using the same system they are so desperate for "change".
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I'm finding it pretty funny while watching interviews of Trump supporters. Almost every one of them points out that they want "a change" and that Trump is a self-made Billionaire...that he knows how to run a business. It's like they honestly believe that Trump made all his money with Fairy Dust and hard work and didn't make it using the same system they are so desperate for "change".
This country is nuts. I'm part of this country, so I should know. Ha.
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I can barely watch him, to me the man is a loose canon, he lacks empathy and he just says some absolutely stupid things that should not be said by someone intending to lead the most powerful nation in the world.
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I totally understand the appeal. He's saying all the things people want to hear(and then some). I'm not sure what he thinks he can do, though. If he wants to bring back manufacturing(along with the low paying jobs) then that will only work for a while. Let's face it..most of those jobs are going to be done by robot workers sooner than later. Getting rid of Free Trade is like getting rid of Capitalism isn't it? I mean, the money flows where it wants/needs to flow. I get that things need to change. The banks have too much power/influence. The best outcome may be that the US has 3 party politics from now on. A Left, Right and Middle would be a good thing. Enough with the back and forth of the same old same old.
And no, I'm not American...but what happens in the US matters to the rest of the world.
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He's not saying he doesn't believe in free trade though - he's saying that the US should do deals with different countries INDIVIDUALLY - nothing wrong with that. That's how it works in the business world, and he's saying that the US have been let down by a succession of bad deals (NAFTA for instance) and he wants to reverse that.
Agree about the point on manufacturing/robotics etc, but he's saying that he wants to bring say Apple's factories back from China and make iPhones on American soil. Again - that's the way it should be. He says he is disappointed how US politicians over the years have sold out all their businesses to China.. surrendered all their power to them. He also said that he gives praise to the Chinese for doing that and being smart to do so - that's business after all - but America have made some really bad deals to the entire nation's detriment.
Can't really argue with any of that.
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I can't imagine Apple ever coming back to the US. It's a public company. There's no way the shareholders will accept anything other than more profits.
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I think we're going to find out what it's like to have Trump in the White House. Dude is going to win this election.
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I think we're going to find out what it's like to have Trump in the White House. Dude is going to win this election.
Wow. Youre serious arent you. (I value/trust your opinion 2) That would be incredible if America elected him. I have believed for 30+ years that we are an empire in decline. I think its a natural thing for empires to decline, and theres nothing wrong with an empire declining. Its a sign that the times are changing for that empire. Anyway, if he is elected that would be a sure sign that the decline is in full force.
Trumps election, to me would mean that people are grasping at anything and thinking that America can be what it was; it cant.
A Clinton election, to me, would mean that the status quo remains and the corporate-government alliance is in full force.
Either way, I think the big pic is that America is changing yet is not adapting well to those changes in terms of benefiting people. (See African-American males and the middle class of any background in this country.)
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Trumps election, to me would mean that people are grasping at anything and thinking that America can be what it was; it cant.
A Clinton election, to me, would mean that the status quo remains and the corporate-government alliance is in full force.
I see a lot of concern on message boards about the Feds having too much power. I also see people saying that each state should have it's own power to decide anything. If you don't like what that state does....move. I'm not sure the whole thing works, but...what are the Feds for if you give each state all it's own powers?
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Ask the CSA.......oh, wait. That failed. ;)
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I'm finding it pretty funny while watching interviews of Trump supporters. Almost every one of them points out that they want "a change" and that Trump is a self-made Billionaire...that he knows how to run a business. It's like they honestly believe that Trump made all his money with Fairy Dust and hard work and didn't make it using the same system they are so desperate for "change".
But unlike other billionaires, Trump actually got his hands dirty on the building sites and talks to every worker on the job. His father encouraged him to do this at an early age. And he passed the same trait onto his children. There came a point where he was given the choice to go to college or to follow his dream and totally redesign and uplift the New York Skyline which was in the doledrums and the crime capital of the country at that time. And he changed it. There was some skating rink in Central Park (?) that had been in development and unfinished for like 6 (?) years, but Trump took over the project and completed it in 2 months. He made a rapid transformation to the city in a short span of time. That's why he became a billionaire.
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I've worked in the construction/development industry my whole life. I know how these guys work. 99 % of guys like Trump are a POS. Are they out to get things done and make money? Sure of course. But when things don't work in their favour, they don't loose out...the little guy does. Ooops sorry...ran out of money. Sue me.
I don't get the love for Trump. I get that people want change...totally get that. But this guy? Jeepers. :o
ps... I should also not type stuff on the internet at 5:30 am. I don't know anything. I'm like a fart in an elevator. Wrong on so many levels. :P :)
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;D There are a series of these. Kind of Politically incorrect I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEa1jhWjss
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;D There are a series of these. Kind of Politically incorrect I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEa1jhWjss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEa1jhWjss)
Just looked at this just now. That was freakin funny.
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You would think that after the whole Sarah Palin debacle, the republican party would have done anything to have a credible person representing the party. It's weird. It's like nobody wants the job. You look at the Royal Family and see that William and Harry would rather be just normal people and don't really want the job. They were born into and have little choice in the matter. Wanting to be POTUS?...that's a whole different kind of human being. It's really odd watching this election. I don't even live in the US and I feel bad for the American public. These are your choices? Jeeze Louise. :o
Hey, at least my Prime Minister is pretty. ;)
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I wonder how fast The Donald will put up a great big neon TRUMP sign on the White House? :o
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I normally stay out of this type of discussion.....and I will only say this: America, I don't recognize you anymore. Maybe it's the hair....it doesn't suit you.
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You have to figure that Arnold Schwarzenegger is really pissed right now. He would have won HUGE. ;D
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I think we're going to find out what it's like to have Trump in the White House. Dude is going to win this election.
Great...first thing I've ever said on here that is correct and it's this? :o
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He's been elected, I'm going to try to keep an open mind about this, as Kyle has said he's said some good things, he has also said some crazy things. Let's see what he actually does, if he brings good jobs to the US then he deserves praise, if he thwarts efforts to curb climate change then he deserves censure.
There is certainly a case for curbing political correctness.
We live in interesting times.
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I'm going to try to keep an open mind about this
I'm of the same mind. It's a bit early to freak out I would think. Let's not forget the guy has an ego as big as the moon. He's going to want everyone to like him, so it would be in his own self-interest to try and please everyone. He may be more centrist than anyone expects. I worry a bit about his climate stance, but IMO we are past the point of no return anyway. We should have been worrying about the planet 30 years ago. I very curious on how he's going to bring back manufacturing jobs. I'm typing on a computer that probably has 0% North American made products in it. Same with my phone....and my car....and..and...and.... We do indeed live in interesting times. ???
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I worry a bit about his climate stance, but IMO we are past the point of no return anyway. We should have been worrying about the planet 30 years ago.
I don't think we are, but a President that doesn't think there is a problem is hardly likely to help solve it, I just hope that he doesn't do any thing to hinder Tesla Motors, as i see them as one of the brightest stars in the transformation of our energy sector. I'm very keen to see how they go with their third generation and cheaper electric car the Model 3 that has had huge pre orders, this could be a real trend setter. What they're doing with solar roofs and energy storage is equally revolutionary.
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My thumbs are prickling today.....what could cause that?
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Merv are you feeling a Tweet coming on?
He's certainly ushering in a new era. He seems to have no conception or concern about conflicts of interest. He is in a world of his own as far as information is concerned, he's certainly not building good relations with the press.
But I do wonder about the effectiveness of the Women's march, surely a protest should be about something in particular, there are certainly plenty of issues they could have focused on, but it seemed to just mean whatever any one protester wanted it to mean and to me that is meaningless.
These are strange times.
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"By the prickling of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."
A line from MacBeth that I kept hearing in my head on Inauguration day...
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Very good, some Shakespeare! I didn't get that and I do like Shakespeare although I am a little wary of MacBeth.
I don't think things are looking good for the USA...he doesn't care for the law so hopefully he will be impeached and hopefully he doesn't cause too much damage before he does so.
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How are people feeling in the USA?
Trump is moving fast and aggressively, with a complete lack of diplomacy, I really wonder if he'll tear the country apart, bring into focus major divide lines.
He's obviously causing concern in major Govt departments with the lock downs. Then there are people with legitimate visas that are being held, that is extreme.
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How people in the USA feel depends largely upon whether of not you voted for Trump.....those who did vote for him are getting a lot of what they wanted. Those who didn't are feeling very disenfranchised and are counting the days until the mid-term elections, when they hope to elect a congress that will check Trump before he can do any more damage. My personal feelings on the subject lie more along the lines of the latter....I have not cared for Trump at any time since I first heard of him in the 1980's...I thought him to be vulgar and 'cheap'. I have been shocked by the fact he got elected, but I cannot say I cared much for the other choice. A better alternative she would have been...
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2 of 3 posted back in July that Trump would win.
2? There is a casino near us. What number should I pick if I go to the roulette wheel? Thanks.
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Is it a Trump casino? ;D
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Ill reply just to say that that was hilarious.