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Rock Music of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and the 21st Century => NBM- Non-Beatles Music => Topic started by: 2 of 3 on June 01, 2016, 10:17:32 pm
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I heard a guy on the Radio today who was pushing his new book about music rivalries and of course the last question he was asked was Beatles or Stones. Funny enough he said he was a Stones guy. He then went on to say that any Best of List should not include any Beatle albums because in the Top 10 there would be at least 5 Beatle albums. So....Let's try that out for size. :)
Instead of listing 10, let's just list your favourite and see what we come up with. Or you can do 10. Or or.... ;D
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Lemme give this some thought....
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Some of my favorites are Ram, London Town, My Aim is True, Entertainment (Gang of Four), Bee Gees Live from '75, but those aren't the best albums of all time.
Best of All Time if I was voting in some way.
Not in order.
Specials 1st album, Fables of the Reconstruction, London Calling, Odelay, It Takes A Nation...Public Enemy, Imperial Bedroom, Frampton Comes Alive!, Songs in the Key of Life, What's Going On?
Highway 61 I might take over Odelay. I might take Exile on Main St over Frampton or the Specials.
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I'll have a go..
1) Soundgarden - Superunknown
2) Nirvana – Nevermind
3) Urge Overkill - Saturation
4) Patti Rothberg - Candelabra Cadabra
5) Panic at the Disco - Pretty Odd
6) Stone Temple Pilots - Tiny Music
7) Marina and the Diamonds - FROOT
8) System of a Down - Toxicity
9) Prince - Sign o The Times
10) Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters
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Thanks for adding to the thread guys. I am having a tough time deciding . Crazy huh? You leave out the Beatles and you feel like you're cheating on them haha. ;)
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Id like to see if there is an album that we would all agree is one of the top ten best albums ever made by a band not from Liverpool.
Pet Sounds maybe? But Im not even that familiar with it, so I wouldnt know.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking when I thought of the thread...just what do we agree on with the Beatles out of the picture. :)
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I could prob agree to Dark Side of the Moon being one of the ten best. Ive never heard it but so many people have such respect for it Id prob go along with it.
I could prob not argue if someone said Bridge Over Troubled Water or Sounds Of Silence LPs were in that top 10.
It's just so weird that there are no common albums amongst us.
What do you think is an album in the top 50 that we would all prob say, "Yeah, that's in my top 50" ?
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Good question. I mean, it only takes a few years of age difference to really change what a person thinks is great/not so great.
Rumours- Fleetwood Mac ?
The other day at work, one of the guys who is 25 asked who Elvis Costello was. I said...really? Then he said..is that the guy who is married to the piano babe? haha :P That makes me think now that King of America is in my top 10. :)
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This will probably sound sacrilegious, but I'm not a big raver of Pet Sounds. Yes, it has one of the most beautiful songs ever penned (God Only Knows), but the rest of it is full of some horrible timbres, especially those 'buzzy'-sounding saxophones that seem to penetrate every song. And I'm not convinced that the actual sound quality of the recordings is that pristine, it almost has that 'coming out of a transistor radio' feel to it - even though it has all these lush instruments on it. It hasn't aged well.
Dark Side of the Moon I'm sent to sleep for the most part unfortunately. I absolutely love early Pink Floyd ('Arnold Layne'/'See Emily Play'/'Interstellar Overdrive' era), but with the addition of David Gilmour they just seemed to transform into a slow-moving dreamy cloud of monotonous dreck. My stepfather had all those 70s era Pink Floyd albums and they did nothing for me. Thank god I had my Wings records! haha
But as I got older, and I'd mention how non-plussed I am about Pink Floyd, their response is usually along the lines of "you've got to be pretty stoned to get into it, you'd love it then" - and yeah I've never been into drugs so it's probably likely a no-go that I'll ever like any post-1967 Pink Floyd. Even 'A Saucerful of Secrets' is boring for the most part - such a shame given that 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' is so good. Piper would've been even better if it included their early singles, at the expense of the more disposable Syd songs on it.
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There are a lot of factors to consider anytime one tries to suss out what is the "best" of anything. In terms of a "best ever" albums, I would think less about what I dig in music and more in terms of musical and sociological impact over all. That's why it's so difficult to omit The Beatles' output. What we're left with are, basically, albums that influenced them, were influenced BY them, or, being unconnected to them in the first two ways, off the radar as pertains to a "best" ever.
I am inclined to point to "Pet Sounds" and its immediate predecessor "Beach Boys Today" as having been a big influence upon The Beatles during their most creative period, paving the way for the Lads' more experimental albums to come. Having listened to "Pet Sounds" a number of times, I can also say that I don't get the same things out of it that The Beatles did....what I do hear is a young man of exceptional musicality exploring his inner self-doubts and insecurities, yet finding a hopeful way to look at them. Coupled with the freedom of not having to tour constantly and being able to utilize some of the best session people ever, this created an album that must be considered in any "best of" list I might make.
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From 2: "In terms of a "best ever" albums, I would think less about what I dig in music and more in terms of musical and sociological impact over all."
Nice.
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I didn't say that it was Mervap. I can't even spell sochillogical. ;D
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Oh yeah. Sorry 2. Im used to great quotes from you. Mervap...I really liked those thoughts.
(2...how umbearassing that you cant spell sociological. Use spell chek man.)
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I had a think about my criteria as I came up with my list, and they had to have these things:
1) it had to be great from beginning-to-end, and have no dull spots (very rare on ANY LP).
2) the songs all had to have really great melodies throughout
3) there has to be a unifying concept of some sort permeating through the album
4) the material has to be played with a high level of energy and spirit and
5) they have to heave their fair share of 'hit singles' or well-known songs spearheading the album
Most of my list resulted in 90s grunge; they had the ingredients of high energy, catchy melodies that could almost pass for nursery rhymes, and very rarely finds a lull or flat spot in proceedings.
If I think of classic albums that have a massive 'cultural impact', it's weird, I end up digging maybe 30% of them, but find there to be a lot of filler. But if you add the Beatles albums into the mix - I find they had such a high level of consistency, they would trump even most of the albums in my top 10 here. That's where I put The Beatles on a higher level to all of the other major bands in rock music history - The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Beach Boys.. all really great singles bands - their 'greatest hits' albums would be right up there with any Beatles album.. but their albums alone can be a bit hit and miss. Even Pet Sounds, Exile on Main Street, Who's Next.. some of it is okay, some of it is great, but there's a lot of murk there too.
What can I say.. I'm an 'all killer, no filler' kinda guy!! ;D
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they would trump even most of the albums in my top 10 here
Doh! That dude is everywhere! :o ;) ;D
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they would trump even most of the albums in my top 10 here
Doh! That dude is everywhere! :o ;) ;D
Bahaha!! We're gonna BUILD A WALL!! ;D ;D
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A Wonder wall? ????
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The Trumpire Strikes Back
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I wonder what would happen if you took 1000 people who have never heard the Beatles before...gave them the entire catalogue plus solo work and asked them to say what their favourite songs are. You'd think they'd prefer the Beatles stuff just like the rest of the planet..but I'm not so sure. Humans tend to like stuff cuz of the Feels. The moment in time is almost as important as the quality of the tunes. "my dad took me fishing and I remember this was on the radio the day I caught the big one". That's all very nice of course, except they were listening to Nickleback.
You see where I'm going here right? ;D
I'm guessing those 1000 people would pick songs from all over the years. They don't have The Feels deciding for them what is good or gooder. 8)
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I'll have a go no Beatles or Beatle related
Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE
Yes Close to the Edge
Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life
Kevin Ayers - Yes We Have No Mananas
Henry Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
T Rex - Electric Warrior
Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man
John Cale - Paris 1919
I'd do it very different on another day,